“Britishness” With the Jingos – Part 1

Anon #1: BBC = anti-British, leftist propaganda. History will show it in 100-200 years time, and we’ll ask why we did nothing about it at the time.

 

Paddy: How do you define “British”? Just interested.

 

Anon #1: If you’d ever lived in Britain you’d know what British meant.

 

Paddy: I have lived in Britain (and traveled it extensively) all my life, and having done so, realise how broad and subjective concepts like “British” are. No one seems to have it pinned down. Looking at your comments however, you seem to think that you have the answer. So please, stop being coy and enlighten me. I want to know.

 

Anon #1: Tea drinking, mini driving, English accented, white lineage (hurr wazyzm – no, it isn’t. Indians are “indian”, and you wouldn’t call them racist for saying it), accepting, restrained, queue loving, Barbecue cooking legends make up “Britishness”. There are many more examples, but since you had to ask you either don’t feel British or don’t want me to feel British or both.

 

Paddy: “There are many more examples, but since you had to ask you either don’t feel British or don’t want me to feel British or both.”

If you had read my comment before jumping to that paranoid and jingoistic conclusion you would see that isn’t the case.

“Tea drinking, mini driving, English accented, white lineage (hurr wazyzm – no, it isn’t. Indians are “indian”, and you wouldn’t call them racist for saying it), accepting, restrained, queue loving, Barbecue cooking legends make up “Britishness”.”

Let me go through this.

1. What if one does not like tea or own a Mini, are they instantly considered un-British? I must admit to disliking that cramped car, nor to I care much for tea (origin: east Asia).

2. “English accented” gave me a good chuckle. How about the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish (many Cornish would also take issue), none of which have English accents? Are they not British?

3. Up here in t’North, where I currently am, no one seems to have Barbecues. Are they not British? Or is it just those Guardian-reading southern folk with large gaaardens?

4. Since you brought race into it – albeit, by invoking the wishy-washy P.C. term “lineage” – how exactly do you judge something like that? Do you have to be from an undiluted Anglo-Saxon “lineage” (there’s no such thing) or from one of those Celtic or ancient Palaeolithic bloodlines in order to stake a racial claim to this great land? Taken to it’s logical conclusions, linking race with land becomes untenable.

(Let’s see how “accepting” and “restrained” you are in your response…)

 

Anon #1: Yup, you’re a leftist, white-hating bigoted troll. It didn’t take much effort to out you, did it? Fine, define Nigerian culture. What does it mean to be Nigerian.

 

Paddy: Neither restrained or accepting, then.

“Yup, you’re a leftist, white-hating bigoted troll. It didn’t take much effort to out you, did it? Fine, define Nigerian culture. What does it mean to be Nigerian.”

Did you even read my wonderfully eloquent comment? How did you even jump to that conclusion? And why are you so hostile to talk of “culture” so suddenly, isn’t “Britishness” a culture? C’mon, show us that you can provide us more than simple raving jingoistic nonsense.

I’m trying to have a polite, productive discussion here. (You really should read my previous comment, it’s rather good.)

 

Anon #1: No really, prove to me that you can’t define Nigerian-ness, and you’ll realise that asking someone to neatly define Britishness is obviously a ridiculous question designed to nitpick and refute Britishness based on logically fallacious but pretty lies. If you can’t define Nigerian-ness, then this entire concept is bogus. What are you scared of?

 

Paddy: I asked you to elaborate on a subject you claimed to know a lot about. Now you’re asking me to elaborate on something I know nothing about: I’ve never been to Nigeria, I am not a citizen of that country nor have I, more importantly, claimed that they have a static or coherent culture – a solidified idea of “Nigerian-ness”. It would be intellectually dishonest to say that I did or to now speculate about something which most Nigerians themselves would probably have difficulty defining. Just like you and me on “Britishness”.

That was a lazy trap and a pointless detour. You can do better, surely. For a start, you can respond to my questions. I’ve had the courtesy to reply to yours, however (momentarily) distracting.

 

(Spoiler: he didn’t do better.)

 

 

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